Initiation by Param Sant Satguru | Ishwar Puri (Part 3 of 3)

Pune, India Part 3

Video Description: He welcome everyone on 2nd day of this event in Pune. He talked about what is initiation by a PLM…what happens when a sant sat Guru initiates us. There are gurus that teach us to go to the six energy centers/ chakras. If we concentrate on them…we get different kinds of wonderful experiences including outer body experiences but will not give any higher awareness. They don’t increase level of knowledge of who we are! These six centers are pindas…they control all our lives in the physical world from birth to death and are important to understand about energy centers and experiences outside. The centers are compared to lotus leaves…two eyes (two petal lotus). He talked about value of Yogic exercises. We can have non-physical experiences. It is sort of enlightenment as we are not seeing something different…but …these centers deal with the energy…it is different from awareness…awareness is to KNOW more, energy is to experiences. For latter we need to go beyond the physical body i.e. to astral body. That is a more valuable tool to gain true knowledge…the origin of all physical experiences lies in the astral plane.It is the originator…when we go there…and stay there and understand it and we will find it was a gross representation what is lying in the astral plane. Astral plane everything has illumination (i.e. radiant form) because 3energy of astral body is very different from the physical body. They have separate six charkas to represent astral form. By withdrawing attention behind the eyes. He talked about 1000 petal lotus. That experience is remarkable…before that takes place we go through a sky…as space…creates a universe…

9min- He explains in details about Astral plane. There is mix of night and day in Astral plane 24/7…everything is always lit up. Every being is lit up…they emit their own light. On earth light has to fall up on us it absorbs some colors and reflects others which we see. Experience of general astral plane is remarkable. If we are initiated by a PLM we will see form of our master…after that our and our guru form will change…then we discover this guru who initiated us has been with us all the time (inside) and now we have discovered him inside. This stage creates many kinds of gurus…those gurus have taken us into that form. We can see all the Gods and Godness in the astral plane…kinda like Suchkhand (relative to physical plane)…it is guru that goes beyond Astral where there is no form…new sky open up. All the heavens of all religions exists in Astral plane…they actually exists! One can even without help of a guru can go there without anyone…beyond that is not possible because this is beginning of heaven and its end of heavens. Guru can take above universal mind…we have 6 centers there. Those who can reach 18 centers can cross the mind..those have reached 15 centers have reached the universal mind…we cannnot imagine here! Most of the advanced gurus that is the end but they say one mind-soul that’s the end (they say). You have reached Moksha and reached the ‘Om’ and we will believe it as there is nothing to compare it with. Sky at causal plane is orange/red color (like sunset) All causes of all things astral and physical exists there…that aakash /sky contains all records (Akashic Records) it contains all possible destiny in astral and physical plane.

18min-In human being alone we have experience of freewill (no other form!). Here ignorance creates freewill. This sense of freewill only occurs in human being in the phyiscal plane…some have said himan being is next to God himself…Creator has total free wil and we have experience of freewill…universal of mind state is the orgin of all forms of life (8.4million)…5.5 are in plants alone. We are in the last catgeory of 400K. All the forms are originating in the causal plane. Those gone beyond the universal mind are called PLM into region of pure soul…the spirit is nameo f the soul…not of the mind. There are Sadhgurus and Sathgurus. Sadguru has crossed the mind discover what is a soul but not merged into it…where we become one…that is Sathguru. Above parbraham between sachkhand…negativity originates we cannot find anywhere! And it is like a dark cave…even the soul crossing that has 16 physical sun…that darkness is not steady…its revolving/ whirling cave therefore we enter…it is only a light of Sant Sathguru who has at that time has awareness of true-home carrying with him can cross with him.

23min- Sathgurus are there but it depends on the seekers. These PLM come on call of the seekers…who are these seekers? They are so many souls in our true home…they all in joy in true consciousness…and then some of them wanted to have some adventure….so we created levels of experience…and so many souls who wanted to go to negative experiences and come back and compare with positive came for a ‘little’ adventure…to see a show and go back home but got caught up here and acquire things which are meant for use and experience….no one stays forever. Soul is immortal only and all this big show dissolves from time to time. PLM are indeed very few…what is initiation by a PLM? It is an acceptance by a PLM operating from Suchkand while in the physical plane…he is at all levels at all times. Even in physical levels he is in touch with all levels because he is not remembering it he is there! He does not come to judge good or bad or judge our karma he picks us up because of the promise we made if we are not happy please take us back….he performs all kinds of things here…mysterious things..his role is to take us back home different from other teachers. PLM will teach if we want to be taught…that’s the problem of the mind. Therefore, for satisfaction of the mind he teaches…gives mantra to repeat…do certain exercise to get the mind out of the way. The truth is he has come for our soul and initiated us to tell us our time has come from our original promise if we are not happy and trap here somehow…the creator comes and takes us back home. We need a friend like ourselves…it is same power of consciousness appears in same form and level as we are. When these PLM come and they spot the marked souls for whom they have come and take home whether it needs any other device to take our mind out of the way…nothing is stopping going home other than our mind. Soul has a few functions to perform without help of mind or body or senses and those are experience of Love. Love is not attachment. In attachment our awareness is of both i.e. of our-self and that person. Spirit/ Soul automatically falls in love. Intuitive knowledge is pure function of soul and not of the mind. Bulk of souls are still in the totality…and who are singing dancing in joy and we jump higher! What is so special about you!…well tell them you don’t know what you are missing! The idea was all to intensify the true value of our true home. When PLM initiates us he establishes himself inside us as a true friend outside. Its a dual promise he makes…he becomes permanent friend without judgement. He knows we are in a trap…and subject to five vices. When we pick up a DVD from causal plane…it contains one life but no life without karma from past lives to create it. So past lives is a necessity. …past lives is built in DVD we pickup.

38min- The trap of reincarnation and lives we have never lived and yet they are our past lives…how can we be so stupid we picked up a life with horrible past lives…why did we not pick up where we would be happy all the time? We have to be in astral plane for being happy all the time. The mixture is needed to have ability to have freewill. Experience of freewill arises in the mixed life. Happiness looks like passing faster. It feels there is more unhappiness than happiness in the world. PLM comes for seekers…the moment we are initiated our account is finished. Sinchit karma is destroyed at time of initiation. He talked about Sanskars made on sinchit karma began to change…we look at things differently. Only paralabh remains because unless we have that how will we do other things do escape back. Initiation is the greatest event that could happen…it can change everything…when we die if not initiated go through different process (angel of death…)…law of karma never cancels…any action we take is a karma…nothing in law of karma cancel each other…if there is any way to mitigate karma…it is meditate more. We will have an accident but no pain. Mitigation start with meditation. If initiated by PLM we don’t face angel of death but master appears and takes us to appropriate place. He may ask you to pay off karma in astral or causal plane. The fact angel of death not there and own guru appears…we are never afraid of death if we have experience of dying while living. Fear of death is fear of unknown. Meditation is art to be pretending to be dead. Guru appearing is a very big change…initiation by a PLM is the end of the show here…only remaining part of karma is go through peacefully. If we meditate regularly this is definitely your last life. Some desire maybe fulfilled in astral and causal plane. Some who have fed up of desires they don’t stay anywhere go right up. Everybody takes their own time but no creation of karma there…we know whole future ourselves. Astral life is enjoyable and some people spend time there until they reach home. Master’s give long rope…they do so even in the physical world. A PLM can initiate without speaking a word.

51min- He shared a story of an old poor man who dream of the GM for getting initiated…he said he must go…he had no money to buy a bus ticket….very poor man…began to walk…it took him almost a month to come to the dera. Baba Ji were standing outside and he saw him with a little bag all dusty….he dropped all and ran and fell at his feet and begged for initiated/ naam. GM said what once again? Initiation is something totally different it is master placing inside us and taking responsibility to such an extent if we let him…he will do everything for us. It looks like we are doing…he is doing all…its just an amazing experience..sitting inside us which we can see…and that person doing all for us including meditation.

54min- If we get initiated by a master not a PLM but teaches to go within…we are on the right track. Secret is seek continue inside that “I want more…” you will get it no question. He talked about the book “Secrets”. He talked about his favorite song “Jo Mange Thakur”. Master is you…your own higher self. Outside is all illusion…he talked about Swami Vivekananda talk about this topic. Illusion is of our own higher self…ultimately we will find out we are helping our own self. Mind has to divide…its same consciousness same power…we can have higher consciousness as we go on spiritual path. It increases clarity. The clarity keeps on increasing…but in one time we will have experience of one level.

1hr1min- This created world is our reality at one time. We cannot experience any other realm. We cannot have two reality at same time except when we reach our true home. PLM has awareness of Totality he can talk directly from any level because all levels for him are real and not real. Experiences are all real. He shared an example of a dream where we drink good coffee with nice taste and we wake up..taste of coffee is still in the mouth…it was a real genuine experience that there is no coffee or cup. What happens to us from an experience we jump to conclusion object creation experience is real! Experience is real but object may not necessarily be real. He talked about famous Indian singer Mrinalini Vikram Sarabhai who asked Baba Ji about reality and maya. Maya means real experience creating the illusion that things creating it outside. Actually its the opposite this is only happens when we go in and see structure of how universe is coming up otherwise we confuse that reality is outside. The ability of mind to make unreal to real is natural to the mind. Willing suspension of disbelief as Aristotle stated. Mind can convert shadow into reality.

1hr9min- In meditation we die while living. People are afraid of same people just because they don’t have a body. We have limited experience in the physical world…having these experiences after death where is our true home why this creation was made etc. to get answers we have to go within…outside we can always debate. Total reliance of logic cost seekers delay in going back home. He talked about deductive and inductive logic. Nature has presented with uncertainty presented by physics. He used hydrogen being rotated around 1 electron. Principal of uncertainty- quantum physics came from it. They have recently seen nothing can move faster than speed of light. Same thing is true for projection creation of reality. No thought can exist if there is no time and space. He talked about GM being visited by philosopher etc. who asked questions about them acquired all knowledge via mind but how he can say we cannot understand somethings beyond mind. So GM asked if God is one, inside us. There is limited capacity of mind…therefore when we rely on mind we are limited. Knowledge beyond the 3rd world is not for mind at all by experiential knowledge! That is why people who talk to much they can explain but they make stores to explain an experience that lies beyond ,mind. Only time creation can take place is now! And time in past has been created now…can mind understand that?Yet that is the truth.

1hr19min- Human being have experience of freewill. There is no difference between creator and human will yet we separate the two. Beyond mind there is no separation. The process of creation has done all this and truth can be discovered inside…therefore this is a subject of practicing better than reading and attending discourses. Memory is very short for satsang. He talked about his wife who wanted to check what he talks about and invited 8-10 people to the house. There is nothing will stay inside us unless we practice it and make it a part of our life.

Spirituality is a path of practicing not learning.

Ishwar Puri Ji

1hr22min- Where are our priorities? I have no time for meditation…that is wrong sense of priority…if we do our meditation all our jobs will done for us! Doing meditation should be first priority…the mind creates so much doubt in us. He talked about difference between religion and spirituality. We lay our priorities correctly that is why they say 7th sense (commonsense) is more important than the 6th sense (intuition). Commonsense is to lay the right priority..if we can do so life will change. We get provoked so easily…eight sense is MOST important…ability to laugh (sense of humor)…it will remove us from the karma of life. Depression comes when we have no sense of humor and take things too seriously.

A two word mantra…whatever happens say…So What?

Ishwar Puri Ji

If we learn this one mantra…we will learn most of the time it is so what! He stated being initiated on 9th March 1936! He said to have been sharing his experience of his life-time. He said we all have capability to go faster beyond him.

1hr28min- He talked about Swamiji…the original Swami Ji who started original Radha Swami group. Radha is name of the original soul where we come from…original creator his name his Swami…so this word began to spread and went on…today according to internet collection…there are 500 following the same thing. He talked about an American gentleman experiencing a miracle. He talked about all Gurus are genuine up to a point to where they have gone. All gurus have a function…it is best not to go into disparity but in unity as we are all trying to find our true home. If we are a seeker….beyond what we got from a guru be sure PLM will come to you via coincidences.

Criticizing is a pleasure-less sin…avoid talking ill of anybody

Ishwar Puri Ji

He said GM blessing with everyone at the end and giving parshaad to everyone with blessings of the greatest master ❤ He talked about the value of parshaad….and it will help with our meditation ❤

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