Ishwar C. Puri | Q & A | West Coast Program | Newport Beach, CA | 21Feb2016 (Part 4 of 4)

Welcome friends to this 3rd and final day of our event…I was very happy to meet so many of you on this trip and share the teachings of the great master Hazur Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. He changed my and 1000s of other life. We talk of finding the truth all this is built into our spiritual self but not the mind. Mind creates an experience in time and space (mind) and that is why attention goes through the mind which is a function of the soul and goes continuously to the created universe we live in outside. Mind is constantly taking us outside. We go to church, temple, mosque, synagogue outside…even the truth we have to find is outside…we read about it…books, and make them holy calling them scriptures and all those books say truth is inside. Master Ji talked about inductive and deductive logic. Deductive logic is drawing conclusions within that data and does not add to knowledge. Inductive logic that you can have an inductive awareness which says if this whole wall is painted white and the other wall must also be white…it depends on the law of probability. We use logic for our understanding and these 2 systems of logic of rational thinking have big limitations and the other is leading to perhaps, maybe but never with certainty. There is no added knowledge in deductive logic. That is how we try to come to conclusions…this whole process of understanding with the mind is very limited and cannot go beyond the premises, and the rest is guesswork. What is the premise…it is for the mind is the empirical premise…what it can see outside…it has no other data to go into…and comes to conclusions. This world is full of contradictions. Today, they can’t even say light is a wave or particle. So many contradictions in science. Newton thought one way Einstein thought another way…now Einstein is also wrong…new information. It was based on existing data. Another big limitation of rationality is how much data can you observe at one time…only partial, and it’s so limited and doesn’t give an idea of what the WHOLE is. Therefore the whole ability to have all data is missing for the mind. I am brining out this point because mind is not the appropriate thing is us…which has to be see as a whole. Is there anything else we can see wihtou mind? Of course ourself!

10min- SELF can see the entire data at any time. The question boils down to same what is the SELF? The SELF comes down to life force which makes the mind alive and sense perception alive and makes the body alive…we call it the Soul. The mind and soul are different…mind functions in time and space. The mind thinks to find everything…all thoughts require time…it cannot function without time. Soul can have intuitive knowledge without time same with love, appreciation of beauty, and feeling joy and bliss all without time all sudden and spontaneously. We can use mind the machine so effectively and then we have our soul with the ability to love…we don’t have to go anywhere but understand these great gifts given to us can be applied at every level of consciousness and use them properly. Most importantly, use the mind properly. Of course, to keep your body healthy… exercise. You can use your mind effectively on what to think, it’s wonderful. But what’s happening is mind controls everything in our lives with its bizarre thoughts telling us what to do, and we have made a machine into our master. We become slaves of our own minds. The mind tells us what to do and we follow it. Sense perception can be used even beyond the physical world. The mind has now become not an agency of getting knowledge but an instrument keeping us away from true knowledge and keeping us busy with the outside. The mind looks for the most pleasurable experience…naturally, we can understand. We all want happiness and pleasure. The mind doesn’t know if it lies anywhere else and when it finds something good food to eat, have sex with, holiday somewhere and then gets attached to it. Attachment desires great traps for us as the mind gets fixed on this. Then some enlightened person comes in our midst and shares true happiness is inside not outside…but are we happy just now? Some people look happy…happiness and unhappiness is divided in two experiences- physical material experiences (iPhone 7) or peace of mind, true love I would be very happy…two things are very different. One are tangible and the other is intangible.

21min- I was studying in Harvard University subjects like economics where I asked the professor that you are teaching principles of law of diminishing returns. Is it really true? He said yes…if you love someone more and more will be more? And what about happiness? We haven’t examined that…I said I would like to examine it. I picked up a phone directory and picked 1000 names. I sent them a questionnaire with the topic on what gives you happiness and the other side wrote what gives you unhappiness. Remarkably, I got very large response (more than 50%). I found that in the things that made them happy were- lot of money, a good house, children, and health. Unhappy- Poverty, unhappiness, living in a hut, disobedient children. They were so common the answers. Then I interviewed selected ones one was a professor and CEO and had a lot of money. Tell me are you happy so far money is concerned…he said not at all! I went to Harvard, spent years with degrees, professorship, setup industry, worked hard before I could make the money. Look at the bloke next to me and he is worth a lot more than me. Can you imagine his happiness dependent upon his neighbour. I found out some of the poorest people were happy but rich people were unhappy. This survey was done in 1960s. Boston University did recently in the same time and survey rich people are happy or not. One man who has 100 million was insecure…if I had 0.5 billion I would be okay. I have business work to take care of an expensive wife…manage life, karma…so even after retirement I still have to work. I took up job in this country and I said I am getting income from my pension…anyway after sometime we are doing such good business selling healthy cookies they tasted so bad but people bought them (this was in 70s and 80s). We gave a raise…200K. That’s great you will happy now…he said not really…we should have more and expand his business selling cookies in other countries and made a lot more money. Salary went to $2.2M…he was still unhappy. Let’s sell these businesses and I assure you that you can live in a good living and we will setup some artificial offices in penthouses and I will make sure investment will be of that order. I sold the company for $40M between 3 partners we will all get a lot but one partner said no its not enough. I am telling you my personal experience…higher you go I still find higher you still are poor. What gives happiness is internal happiness.

31min- I asked all to pretend to be happy and then tell me after a week your experience. They said…everybody they met was happy! Its amazing where happiness lies and yet the mind continuously drive us outside for happiness. The biggest difficulty after reading is to go within yourself. We get darkness when we close our eyes. Where is meditation by closing eyes and get new information by closing eyes? Therefore, its so difficult hence we give up. It is not easy…to turn around without any help at all. Mind’s help, certainly not. Going within means not going outside. If you can do something which prevents you from going on it will work. I am not reading from books but from my experience, if you close your eyes and forget the outside you will find true happiness. How can we forget the outside? Forcing the mind to think what is inside…putting yourself inside and where inside? When you close your eyes where are you asking from…what is making me conscious. That body has sense perception and you have been using them in imagination but never thought they are real. We are always examining reality by checking one sense perception with another. I am telling you simple things that anybody can check it out..sense perception open up with a new body and how long you can sustain that experience. A few seconds …maybe it was a dream I had…couldn’t be real. That is automatic…at any one time our experience is only of one reality. Right now its physical reality. That awakening enables you to see how the structure of this universe has been built…deeper you go into that you can go further into it and go how karma was created, people were created… visualising it in a larger context. What about memory? The most remarkable thing…its such an important element. Memory creates all experiences…what is our experience of time. What is time? Our experience is something called past, present, and future. Without them there is no time. Ishwar Ji elaborated it ๐Ÿ™‚ We call recent past as present.

41min- Present does not exist it is past. What about future? Does it exist? If we remove words- hope, fear and anticipation then we have no future. Future is created from these 3 words- nothing else. You can’t have a future. There is no way we can see past except memory as we remember..we are creating an experience of the past only through memory. Therefore, memory is creating the whole experience of the universe- the entire experience of the universe whether here or astral or casual plane. So how we create this universe? At the mental stage, without body or sense perception, install a little chip (DVD) with prerecorded life and install it there and play it. It is designed like that- we picked up what will be a good DVD to play and become our life. Why did we pick up such a horrible DVD with ill health, disappointment ๐Ÿ˜ฆ Truth is we were sharp we picked up for different experience opposite to experience of our true home where there is no pain and suffering or duality. We don’t want to go into suffering and create an illusion. In this movie we see outside is away from us. The movie we are acting is created all the characters and have close association by putting ourselves in one of the characters. We are doing that right now but we are thinking the movie is being watched by the character…that’s not true. You are inside the character but not the character itself. The spiritual quest for finding is lying within the mind not outside. The spiritual path is not to stop only by discovering something extraordinary as they can be seen in this human body by paying attention in parts of the body like energy chakras below. To have continuous happiness day and night your sense of humor will gloom and you will be happy 24/7. The best place is go within to find happiness and the same for true knowledge, the grand picture…for all go within. PLM becomes a friend and talks to us at an ordinary level like us…his awareness is different from ours and he guides us and we never get lost and can take us to any level we want to go. Every stage of awakening looks like a final. With mind’s effort…you cannot go beyond the mental region. It goes up to the causal mental region where destinies are made.

52min- What method do such people who have reached the level of awareness beyond the mind? They use love, intuitive knowledge and a sense of bliss…they pull you with their unconditional love. Your seeking itself is going up to that level. The mind fights sometimes the pull of unconditional love out of fear. Master Ji talked about a friend of his and 3 friends from his church. The spiritual path is not a religion at all. Master Ji shared a joke…I get so many jokes every day. He shared a joke about a new pastor. Master Ji talked about Waikiki Beach. Our essence is Love, that’s what God is, The Creator is… it’s not an experience of Love but IS love. You create a lover and beloved to generate the experience of love. Consciousness within itself created one and the many. It’s like an ocean saying I am so many drops. Love is the Essence of everything. That’s why these PLMs’ main tool to take us back home is Love. Our doubts become irrelevant with that experience. So it’s so important totality is being expressed via love here. People meditate…okay…meditation has become listening to meditative music outside.

1hr3min- Where is my discovery of who I am? All depends on what you want to use meditation for. If you want to go back to your true home- these devices will not help you take you inside. There is music inside far more melodious and alive…so alive that it can grab you. The music of your own self is coming from consciousness…your own reality and can heard right here in the physical plane. It becomes yourself and you discover that was not music but consciousness persay. The yoga of union with your own self is called Surat Shabd Yoga. Put your attention on the sound it will drag you up…I have examined so many yogas and this one gave me the best experience and I recommend it. If you find a better system, I assure you I will immediately adopt it. You cannot get that unless you have struggled. How much we are enslaved to our mind that the mind will not believe we can get something from relaxing unless you struggle and work for something. This path is effortless meditation…relax…you are not trying to get the sound…sound is pulling you, that’s the way and the path but we want to struggle. We are then pulled by the love of the master…we meditate it doesn’t work as its for the satisfaction of the mind…its a mental game. It can take you up to the mental region but you need a pull by some power beyond the mind. I am very happy to spend these 3 days with you and today is the final day…we will be distributing blessed food (parshaad). Its an expression of love and blessings and use it like that. We will meet at 3’o clock and now we will take some questions.

1hr15min- What are emotions in our true spiritual perception. Emotions are expressions of our energetic self and if we want to trace them they come from the heart centre. The heart centre carries experiences but the actual experience of the wakeful state is always taking place at the 3rd eye centre. If you get fired up…its not a spiritual practice but an emotion. Crying is an emotion and they are being generated as the energetic experience of your own self. When you are at the spiritual centre (not energy) you become cool and calm…a calmness and peace you don’t see out here. Emotion is not peace. They come from the sub-astral plane but are experienced in the physical body as if they come from the heart chakra. In spiritual perception, we don’t give importance but expression of love plays a role. When you express love you become emotional but the emotion of love leads you to think of the beloved and eventually same emotion of love gives you peace. Physical attraction outside attraction is not the kind of love I talk of…most of them are pulling us by attachments. The basic difference is in attachments we are always aware of two…I and you. I love you is an attachment. In true love, you don’t think of yourself as beloved occupies an entire space of awareness.

1hr19min- At initiation our sinchit karma permanently removed? PLM dissolves and burns up all Sanchita karma…nothing can be created from it except from Prarabdha or destiny. When we have to remove karma at trikuti we remove all karma before going further. Karma is leftover from Prarabdha is paid off there. There is only one form of life where we create karma. Your attitude changes after initiation. Right and wrong good and evil all moral code is built up by our karma and the environment created by karma including the society we are born and the value systems created at that time in any culture. What we are taught from childhood comes up as good and bad. When we are doing something which we have been built up as wrong is wrong. Right, and wrong are not determined when we act but before we act. The mind classifies it. Wrongs are very ‘interesting’ for the mind.

1hr24min- We go through these things we are trained to think like that…right and wrong actually belong to our mind. Shakespeare says there is nothing good or bad but our thinking makes it so. It just is and creates a pair of opposites. Our own mind rewards and punishes us and that plays out outside… it’s such a simple system. You never escape this system of right and wrong and remain in a system of reincarnation. God will greet you in heaven…people see astral God. Do you know in one lifetime we can do such horrible and good things…immediately after that life we go to both heaven and hell. To be human you have mix karma of good or bad. It helps us because only in human form we have experience of what we call real free will. This is only way we can experience of free will makes us a seeker. Seek your ultimate form and you will find it. If you are a seeker of the ultimate truth…plm will come in your life by chance. Somebody asked me the other day, what about Brahma and Vishnu…they are in position…they are souls like us…good karma helps where they are. Krishna is worshipped as an avatar of Lord Vishnu…what is Krishna doing…as a little boy…he is in charge of taking care of cows with his friend Udho. He tells his friend nature of karma is so strange. This amazing situation of the law of karma is holding us…holding our soul or true self? No, the true self has no karma…karma is the play of the mind. Karma is entirely a mental experience…mind creates good and bad and it keeps us here. Therefore, don’t believe its your karma. Use of a particular key called experience of free will to escape from the mind…you have created a predestined experience…when you are ready PLM will come into your life. Its not a coincidence or chance it happens but pre-arranged for you to be found by a PLM.

1hr34min- What is holding us back is our ego…our ‘I’ ness. We even separate from God by religion. Religion says god is somewhere else…its working for separation not for unity. Our true home unites us and makes us one. The role of religion is supposed to be a spiritual role and follows separation as policy. Where money is involved to buy something it has to be physical, not spiritual. In the tradition of my master…PLM never charges anything for his spiritual service. Not only that, people have invited me to give a talk on economics in a university…in the middle somebody ask me a spiritual question…I answered it and denied fee because of it. Another kind of fee is charged…surrender your mind. These spiritual teachings are just to control your mind..they are so its a cult? The big difference between work PLM and cultist do. These masters say we are giving you a way to escape and examine it…cult says if you go out we will punish you. Cult is like a trap.

People don’t have to denounce religion as spirituality has nothing to do with religion but an exploration of your own self. It is to find the spirit of your soul.

Ishwar Puri Ji

1hr40min- We are all PLMs but we don’t know it. When we know it then you are a PLM. The moment you know who you are…you are the same as him but the difference is the awareness. We are confined to awareness of one reality. PLMs never claim they are masters but servants of their masters. These masters make an example of humility. You can’t identify them but you can seek them…you can find them by seeking. Master that pulls you most with his unconditional love…follow him. We can only identify a master when an experience takes place. First seeking comes in us…they teach us different things…I have learnt a lot…ultimately a person comes and pulls you with love…this is it…after that great but I wanted more…where can I find him…coincidence another master appears…he pulls you further with unconditional love…finally when you are satisfied there is no more seeking left…you found a PLM. What should one ask from the master, what pleases the master most and how to make him happy? You can ask anything from the master…he won’t give it to you…he gives what he thinks is right for you according to your karmic pattern. If you want to really follow a PLM ask anything and accept what he gives. Later on, you don’t need to ask anything…you will know he will give you what’s best for you. How to please your master…by following what he says. The better you can do it the more pleased he is. If you are getting happy and give me an appreciation for it I will be very pleased…appreciate a gift from the Lord…that’s the best gift you can give him. Gratitude expression in any way is the best gift to the master. I will break now for a lunch break and I hope to come back again at 3’O clock…this will be in the end of the program. Parshaad will be distributed after that.

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