Ishwar C. Puri | The Real Value of These Talks | Monthly Meeting | 23 Oct 2020

Chicago, IL

Video Description: Welcome friends with the mask…welcome friends without the mask. He said he is very happy we are ALL wearing mask…today we are saying we are putting mask on a mask 🙂 He said receiving 1000s of messages informing him all family members are safe in this pandemic. Apparently we are all trying to thank some power that is helping us ❤ Therefore, his talk really not a spiritual but religious way 🙂 Is there a difference?

He talked about some writing to him that we have been hearing him for many years but you keep saying same thing. He said that’s an indication of old age (noooo dear Baba Ji <3). Do we follow what he said i.e. meditate? No….what we listen and put into practice that is the usefulness of Satsang and talks is. Talk is not entertainment but telling what is most useful about our self. It talks of wealth of bliss in us…we haven’t heard enough till it works. Religion has been founded by spiritual leaders…this body is heaven in itself…they all said the same thing. If we want to find God…creative power…find within us. What have done to religion…we have made it external to ourselves. We have built churches, temples, synagogues, mosques etc…..even we are building big dome…to search for what lies within us. How to define every religion? IT would be…a system of beliefs…we believe in something that’s religion.

To believe something without validation is more religion. To practice and find it out is spirituality (9min). Largest religion in the world in science…scientists are the great priest of religion. They are saying world is real. What is the validation to make this assumption. Empirical study is the only validation therefore this plane fits. Is it not true…just because we can see , touch, hear smell etc. via microscope etc. with these sense reception we have any knowledge of physical worked…is it a game of sense perception or game of reality. Scientists are point out we should have empirical evidence in physical world which we assume has to be real. That’s a big and stubborn assumption. There are alternative reality available.

14min- He talked about his Harvard days about what is reality. He talked about Mexican mushroom external object to have an experience of subjective reality created by physical object. Baba ji told them we can do so without external object…it is possible within ourselves. Our definition of reality is merely what we are using now…to corroborate experience of one sense perception with another. If we can wake to higher state would we dismiss it?

(18min)What happen to religion…enemy of religion breaking religion dogma came from within religion. Rome became great center of Catholic religion…today there are 15-20 denomination all challenging each other. Same is true for Protestants, Hindus, Islam. Breaking point comes from within religion.

Breaking point in science is very close to us. Spookiest thing Einstein talked about quanta-physics and quanta-states do not fit time and space. Just like all other religion the belief system of science will be broken by science itself. Human observation can convert a wave into a particle…energy into material…it means human observation can create entire matter that exist. This is modern physics not meta-physics. Then within science has been raised is science believable as belief-system? If we want to validate this reality is only reality it has to be done with means other than do not depend on sense perception alone. There is something deeper than sense perception…where do they come from? Do sense perception works in dead body? No….life gives them power to function..so what is life? How come life ends, organ are intact but cease to function. Intuitive knowledge comes from not even a fraction of second…where does sense of beauty comes from? Every though takes time…no thinking is possible without time. Time is a MUST for mind and sense perception to function. What can function without time…what part of life is generation what’s called intuition. The mere fact we have capability of being aware is a more powerful thing than sense perception. What is awareness itself.

What about study of awareness itself. If Science is non-belief system but to find truth as they claim they should study origin of AWARENESS not origin of perception. Where are we are aware? We are aware of things outside us. .its a given experience…non-external experience where do we go? (19min) what is ourselves? Its a physical body…in which we are sitting looking outside in extended world via sense perception. The sense we are talking of is eyes for looking…are we eyes looking at things? When we use eyes…we see something strange…we can see with one eye! Are we seeing two things with different eyes? Absolutely. Eyes see two things and we see one thing…where do they become one thing? One visual perception alone? Where are we seeing one inside or outside? We are seeing it inside? How far inside we have to go to combine two images into one? We are unifying two images into one image inside our-self if we calculate carefully..they would fall exactly in the middle of the head. The vision we are having 3D one we are seeing pictures taken by eyes in the center of the head. That most protected part of the body…the pineal gland. If awareness is alive is it not a good place to start our investigation? Is inside head right place to start from? How can we turn our eyes inwards? Eyes cannot go back. But there are eyes which can be turned but not physical eyes…which eyes can do so…we close these eyes to become easier..and IMAGINE imaginary eyes with imagination we can look up, side, back (32min). Imaginary eyes are set in imaginary body…as it happens imaginary eyes are not these eyes and what we see is via imaginary eyes and where are they seeing? Exactly in the center of the physical and imaginary head. All these experiments point to center of the head. What would be good next step to take…start with imaginary self, who is there our self…if we with body have an imaginary self within us..then examine whole self (hand,body feet etc.) same body like this one…when we look at it…depending on our power of imagination we can make it high low do all kinds of manipulation with imagination. What else can we do..imaginary so far…we can imagine anything. We can fly into the sky….and we see sky…flying away…what happens to body…we are becoming more aware of imaginary body and less aware of this body. Are we flying in outside or inside sky. What a simple way to have out of body experience by putting our attention on something. What happen when this awareness is complete not in sleep or dream state but wakeful state…imaginary self could have feature that we cannot even imagine it. Alternative universe created by power of withdrawal of attention. When we say its not imaginary anymore? That body is more real than this body when the MIND of that body begins to remember things before this body was created. It has a longer memory…we are creating a new time and space and alternative universe. Biggest religion is science…lets break that assumption…scientists are doing so…wait and see let us quantum physics go further…science will break assumption of science (just like other religions).

Baba Ji see expansion of spiritual awareness..where will it happen most…where we have time, inclination the need to discover of who we are praying to God. When we pray to God…when we suffer…when a country is in distress it turns to God. (40min) Axis of spirituality by GM was predicted..is shifting to the West. Look at India and China…now all trying to become economically rich…losing wealth at inside…in the USA we can blame politicians, pandemic etc. a clear indication of decline of economy and more prayer to God more discovery of who we are. GM prediction is coming out true…he mentioned to Julian Johnson that spirituality will be localised in the US of A. Science we are looking at will be science will be looking inside also ❤ Who is the observer…we are discovering who we are. the self is the reality..it has power to generate reality. How do we know what is cause and effect? The old idea what comes first is cause what comes later is effect. Particle reaching destination before it left…how do we explain this? The rate we move in this galaxy and space outside is determining our time and creating past, present and future simultaneously. The power of observer what is speed, time and velocity is. Einstein (48min) realised he didn’t think about role of the observer…how can a particle and wave have contemporary simultaneous position and can be divided by human observation. Religion transforms itself (49min) to discover our own self. Research and search go outside and meditate inside. Use imagination as as starting point…consciousness is necessary to be aware. Consciousness operate it creates power to be aware. Aware helps us use our sense perception…another power is attention it reduces our area of awareness. Power of attention in consciousness is nothing like it. Most beautiful part of attention is we can concentrate on it…the more we do the better we are able to observe it. The whole game is game of using attention …attention up on our own self. Our tool of attention is used outside not inside. We are at center by imagination and achieve it by location of body and part. Imaginary body can move around…we have reached the right point to discover our own self inside us…if we put our attention…what happens…like this body becomes out of our awareness…we can go further…and discover where attention is originality from where conscious state…this is the REAL religion it will come and we will see ❤ He blessed everyone and put his mask on…

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